God And That

 Thought i'd add this. My contribution to a long argument about God. On a football forum of all places. Which is absurd because we all know that that is Pele. Or maybe Maradona. Ok or Robbie Fowler. But that's all the contenders I'm allowing for now. And they all disseminate from the same ancient, bronze age book of FIFA anyway.

It is what it says on the tin, as you'll see - a tangent. Thoughts and long drawn out bickering on the matter welcomed.

(the other guy had said something that tried to use scientific statistics to prove a religious point... generally not a hot idea, i think it was that there was an alleged (according to the UNI of EAST ANGLIA) 0.01% in 4 billion chance of the earth and it's contents coming to fruition. Long odds indeed, but given infinity... not so long. GOLDILOCKS ZONE DUDE we are already ON THE NEEDLE IN THE HAYSTACK... WOOOAHH! So anyway...)

...it's a good job that to the best of our understanding the universe is infinite in both time and space then.

tangent alert: call me a hippy burn-out but i think the phenomenon of consciousness itself is the 'solution' to the problem of infinity, by the way. in it's uniqueness, it asks the question that without itself (consciousness) wouldn't be asked. if there were no consciousness and lets presume the planet existed without it, it would just be an animal cycle of action based on instinct with no property of reflection and self-awareness. in that sense, would it even exist? it is the tree falling in a forest question.

soooo.... you know how we can't quite imagine infinity? how we have no comprehension of it, really? because it is beyond vastness? when i try and think of space-infinity as a concept i come up to a sealing wall! what is beyond that then, in my mind? apart from frustration at not having a clear answer... well maybe terry pratchett's turtles and elephants... it's as good an answer as any other! 


but it is the conscious mind that asked that question - 'how' is infinity? what is the wall that may / kind of exists to seal it all in, the one that doesn't exist? the substitute for the answer, the best a brain can do if it tries to reach the edge of the universe?

it's consciousnesses only real (probably) confusion. what/how is infinity? ...cannot compute. wall. must be something inside wall, but also outside... argh more infinity, cannot compute...

and so the mind that asks a question in a moment of esoteric (for that is consciousnesses nature) speculation and self-reflection reaches an impasse that nothing but itself can resolve. it cannot resolve it and i'd give the final answer as though it were a remainder - at the edge of infinity there is a wall. there is inside and outside that wall. here is the remainder - the in-group and out-group schematic drives the nature and history of man and woman. you can apply it to most things you like (or not like)

'with, without... and who'll deny, it's what the fighting's all about?'


- pink floyd, us and them and junk
hippy burnout report end